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SecureNews offers its readers an interview with Belarusian Sergey Pavlovich - one of the most famous carders in the CIS.
In 2004-2009, the Belarusian authorities brought him to trial three times for cybercrimes. In total, he was supposed to spend 16 years in prison, but after 10 years he was released early.
In 2008, Sergei Pavlovich became one of the defendants in the case of "the largest theft of personal data in the history of the United States," which resulted in the theft of more than $ 1 billion. For participating in this operation, he faces life imprisonment in an American prison.
While in prison, Sergei wrote the book How I Stole a Million. Confessions of a repentant carder. " In his book, the author urged not to repeat his mistakes and stay away from the cybercriminal world.
Why did you decide to become a carder? Did you come to realize that you are engaged in illegal activities gradually, or did you understand this from the very beginning?
It happened, one might say, by chance: I somehow, while still a schoolboy, came across the website of "Computer newspaper", on the bulletin board of which, among the mountains of all modern electronics sold (bought mainly, as it later turned out, for stolen credit cards) I found ads about the sale of credit card numbers (in slang we called them "CC", from the English - "credit card"). I quickly realized that I could try to buy something in an online store for such a credit card, I did it, and then it went.
Of course, from the very beginning I understood that it was illegal, so I took certain precautions: the goods were never ordered to postal addresses that had something to do with me, most often they were sent to "drops" - random acquaintances or local drunks, for a couple of bottles ready to receive your goods.
This direction of carding was called "clothing carding" and still exists today.
How can you protect yourself from the actions of carders? Who, in your opinion, is the weakest link in the user-bank-goods / service provider chain? And what serious mistakes are made during transactions with bank cards?
Basic precautions can help prevent attacks on your credit card, such as: set an SMS notification about each transaction with your bank card, set a daily withdrawal limit (for example, no more than $ 200), put a ban on cash withdrawals abroad (because most often the stolen "dump" of your credit card is cashed in another country), do not hand the card into the hands of strangers, for example, let the waiter in the restaurant bring the terminal and make the payment in front of you, and not, as before, the card was taken away somewhere in the back room and there conducted your transaction, and when withdrawing cash from an ATM, you should definitely inspect the ATM for any extraneous overlays that could copy data from the magnetic stripe of your card (the overlay is usually put on the card collector and looks like a completely factory part;this direction of carding is called "skimming" - from the English. skim - to withdraw), and it is better to withdraw cash in general from ATMs installed only in the premises of the banks themselves or in large shopping centers, where it is much more difficult to unnoticeably install a reader. On the Internet, it is worth paying with a card only in trusted stores, data from the sites of which are transmitted via the secure ssl protocol (https). Also, in no case should you write down the PIN code directly on your card: if it is stolen / lost, the attackers will quickly withdraw all the money. Read about other methods of protecting your cards from criminal encroachments in my book.where it is much more difficult to discreetly install a reader. On the Internet, it is worth paying with a card only in trusted stores, data from the sites of which are transmitted via the secure ssl protocol (https). Also, in no case should you write down the PIN code directly on your card: if it is stolen / lost, the attackers will quickly withdraw all the money. Read about other methods of protecting your cards from criminal encroachments in my book.where it is much more difficult to discreetly install a reader. On the Internet, it is worth paying with a card only in trusted stores, data from the sites of which are transmitted via the secure ssl protocol (https). Also, in no case should you write down the PIN code directly on your card: if it is stolen / lost, the attackers will quickly withdraw all the money. Read about other methods of protecting your cards from criminal encroachments in my book.
The weakest link in the chain of transferring banking information is not always the user - very often the bank itself is the culprit (for example, now in one of the Moscow courts a case is being heard when, due to the standard settings of ATMs, instructions for which are on the Internet, criminals were able to set up ATMs for the issuance of money and stole over a billion rubles). In general, the largest leaks of credit card information came from large retail chains such as Walmart - by hacking them, hackers steal millions of customers' credit cards at once (I had about 200 million credit cards in the case). Anything that is built by a person can be hacked, and this is mainly due to the negligence of the banking / trading structures themselves,insecurely protecting their computer networks or using factory default passwords when installing equipment.
How much does modern technology help in carding protection? For example, card chips and 3 DSecure?
Chip cards are much more difficult to crack (this is a fact), but possible. Regarding 3D Secure, the Internet is still full of sites that allow you to make a payment without entering a one-time code that comes in an SMS message, but every year there are fewer such sites. 3D Secure is not a panacea either, since carders can change the phone number associated with your card through the bank's website and order a one-time password for it, but this, of course, is much more complicated. Overall, online payments have become much safer lately. The main thing is to use trusted stores. You also need to be careful when you receive an email message allegedly from the bank's website with a request to update your credit card details, enter its number and PIN code - banks never send such messages, and all of them are "phishing" (fake), while site,where you enter your details may look like the website of your bank.
When did you realize that your chosen life path was wrong?
After I served 8 years in Belarusian prisons (and I spent 10 in total). I realized that I do not want to sit, never, and realize my potential in a criminal direction is wrong. Therefore, immediately after my release, I went into business - in fact, you solve all the same problems as in crime, only you no longer think about where to steal more than anything, but how to bypass competitors and make a service that will make people's lives better, easier, more economical, more secure, and so on. But money is an inevitable consequence of this.
How can black-hat hackers serve the public good?
Of the well-known hackers, he retrained and began to do everything the same, but only legally (by order of the companies themselves to test their computer networks for vulnerabilities), if my memory serves me, only Kevin Mitnick, having founded the company Mitnick Security Consulting. I don't know anyone from the Russians. And the problem here is not only that "the humpbacked grave will fix it", but that our companies / government cannot offer decent salaries, because the monthly earnings of a normal black-hat hacker are tens of thousands of dollars.
The media periodically publish reports about the cooperation of hackers with the authorities of Western countries. Do you know examples of cooperation between hackers and law enforcement officers of Belarus and Russia? If not, what, in your opinion, is the reason for the lack of such cooperation?
Ilya Sachkov (owner of the computer security company Group-IB) said this very well: “The law enforcement agencies of the CIS countries never hire former hackers, because they believe that if a person has tarnished himself at least once, he will continue to engage in illegal activity, so it is better to hire a young man after college with a crystal clear biography. " As practice shows, this is not a panacea either - in the dock we often see high-ranking officers of the FSB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs doing the same thing as ordinary hackers. Big money is no small temptation.
If you take me personally, then neither I nor any of my acquaintances, hackers and carders, have ever been offered a job in law enforcement - probably for the above reason. Well, the fact that hackers of Western countries work for the government - there are such cases, the most striking of them (the work of Albert Gonzalez with the US Secret Service) is described in my book, but even in those cases it cannot be called work - most often they "knock" on his own associates, so as not to thunder in the dock himself.
After your release from prison, did you have an idea to work in the field of information security?
No, it was not, because, first of all, I am not a "techie". I am a generator of ideas, as I call myself, an "architect of ideas", so I am interested in building a business. Sitting at the computer for days, catching the next "worms", Trojans, viruses or hackers is not interesting to me. Yes, and earnings, again.
What areas of activity should be paid attention to a person who has decided to leave cybercrime in the "legal field"?
I would recommend paying attention to traffic arbitrage. As it is now customary to say, who owns traffic - he owns the world. And this is really true. Because even creating a cool online store is much easier than bringing customers to it. Today the market is full of offers, for example, from stores that offer you to bring customers for a generous commission on each sale, and if you have somewhere to get customers, you are guaranteed a comfortable existence. Traffic can be taken from different places: for example, create a public on social networks and promote it, and then offer some goods there or advertise specific stores or services, you can buy traffic cheaply in one place (for example, cheap "junk" traffic such as popunders and clickunder) and merge it on the offer of some store / site - the main thing is that it is monetized at the same time.I used to get traffic using email spam and send it to porn sites and casinos, but this is illegal, so now I bring clients to cashback services. If you don't know what cashback is, then this is a site that offers to return (really) some of the money from each of your online purchases. They also have coupons and promotional codes, so I'm sure that coupon sites, or, as they are also called, "promo codes", will soon die. Because why use only a coupon, if on the website of the cashback service you can use not only a coupon or a promotional code, but also get a cashback back. 6% - like on Aliexpress or Lamoda, or all 40% (this amount is usually returned from the sale of software, games, applications or domain and hosting for your website). Arbitration generally means that you take traffic cheaper in one place,than you get in the future from its sale or monetization in another way. By the way, only 10% of online shoppers know what cashback is. Therefore, work is an unplowed field.
Do you consider a career in cybersecurity a good opportunity for a hacker to step out of the shadows?
I don’t know, maybe for some technically competent specialist who doesn’t pretend to make a lot of money, this is also a good solution, but mostly top hackers prefer to do business after their release or continue their previous occupations.
You wrote the book How I Stole a Million, Confessions of a Repentant Carder. Are you planning to keep writing? And what projects are you currently working on?
I wrote the book, the reviews about it are quite good, it is easy to read, but I do not plan to write a sequel, I simply do not have time for this. And what should I write? I cannot imagine how Perumov does this masterfully, I can only describe what I experienced myself. The criminal period of my life is over, by writing a book I put a fat point in it, so if there will be a next book, it will only be when I earn one hundred million dollars, and now I do not consider myself entitled to advise someone. I really want to write a book about business, behind bars I read hundreds of books about business, biographies of great entrepreneurs like Steve Jobs, and I want to write a book about how I embody everything that I learned and came up with myself and this ultimately led me to success, but, again, I will sit down to write it only when I earn this money.Maybe more, maybe less, but I'll earn. This is a kind of challenge for me. In the fall, my current book will be published in English in America, and then we'll see.
Now I am engaged in organizing the production of souvenir dollars and piggy banks LuckyBucks.ru together with my partner (look, quite interesting, there will still be a series with Donald Trump and even Vladimir Putin), and I still bring traffic to cashback services. I immediately brought clients to LetyShops, but now they worsened the terms of the affiliate program, and I got tired of the 0.1 cents cashbacks they pay me - and I switched to the relatively young service SecretDiscounter.ru... I get 50% of their income from each client I referred, about 2 dollars per year comes out from each, I have already brought more than 10 thousand, so I get about 20,000 dollars a year and I do not stop. What impresses is that the guys are constantly developing: they made a blog where they cover the latest news from the life of the service and useful new "chips" such as a loyalty system that allows you to get 30% more cashback over time, or a free parcel tracking service "Where is the parcel "... Also, an important aspect for me is that Secret Discounter is engaged in charity work - it pays 10% of its profits to proven charitable foundations, the same can be done by the company's clients. I myself am thinking of creating my own charitable foundation soon - I will transfer the right books and sports equipment to prisons and zones around the world. It will be called "Freedom Forever" (freedom forever).
R eye, I sometimes write in my blog, Carding.pro - to, so to speak, not to lose the sharpness of the pen.
Comparing the laws of different countries - which one is the most severe in relation to cybercrime? And vice versa.
If we take the criminal code separately, then the longest sentences for cybercrime in the United States of America. If in Belarus I was tried under an article providing for up to 15 years of imprisonment, in America they may well give me life imprisonment. BUT! If in America you agree to a deal with the investigation, give them the whole "alignment" (who wants to work, investigating your case for several years!), Do not create special problems for the investigators and make certain concessions (it is not necessary to "hand over" accomplices; on as much as your conscience allows), then in practice it turns out that you get much less than in the same Belarus. Not always, but most of the time. And sitting there is much better ... The softest, most often conditional,Cybercriminals receive sentences in Russia or Ukraine - due to the corruption of the law enforcement system and the judiciary.
Why are there so many cybercriminals in Russia and the countries of the former USSR, but the number of victims of their activities is not so large? Are there any ethical reasons for this? Or is it that the population of these countries is generally poorer?
Of course, the main targets of hackers and carders of all stripes have always been and will be the United States due to the large amount of money and the developed network infrastructure that can be hacked. In the countries of the former USSR, not only is there practically no money, but still not everything is computerized, until now many databases exist only in local networks (or even in folders in archives). This, on the one hand, is inconvenient for the very same workers of such backward structures, but, on the other hand, it saves from massive computer attacks like the latest sensational WannaCry and Petya.
There were ethical reasons before - even in my generation of cybercriminals, when we rarely stole from our own people for the reason:
a) lack of a lot of money
b) and also because our unfortunate people have already been robbed by the state more than once and continues to do this, if we will also ...
In general, I can state that today there are many more different ways to make money on the Internet (this is traffic arbitrage, and various start-up incubators and venture capital funds that help you bring your idea to life) than in my time, and you need to be the last fool. to steal on the Internet instead of earning much more on it. Legally.
(c) https://securenews.ru/pavlovich_interview/
In 2004-2009, the Belarusian authorities brought him to trial three times for cybercrimes. In total, he was supposed to spend 16 years in prison, but after 10 years he was released early.
In 2008, Sergei Pavlovich became one of the defendants in the case of "the largest theft of personal data in the history of the United States," which resulted in the theft of more than $ 1 billion. For participating in this operation, he faces life imprisonment in an American prison.
While in prison, Sergei wrote the book How I Stole a Million. Confessions of a repentant carder. " In his book, the author urged not to repeat his mistakes and stay away from the cybercriminal world.
Why did you decide to become a carder? Did you come to realize that you are engaged in illegal activities gradually, or did you understand this from the very beginning?
It happened, one might say, by chance: I somehow, while still a schoolboy, came across the website of "Computer newspaper", on the bulletin board of which, among the mountains of all modern electronics sold (bought mainly, as it later turned out, for stolen credit cards) I found ads about the sale of credit card numbers (in slang we called them "CC", from the English - "credit card"). I quickly realized that I could try to buy something in an online store for such a credit card, I did it, and then it went.
Of course, from the very beginning I understood that it was illegal, so I took certain precautions: the goods were never ordered to postal addresses that had something to do with me, most often they were sent to "drops" - random acquaintances or local drunks, for a couple of bottles ready to receive your goods.
This direction of carding was called "clothing carding" and still exists today.
How can you protect yourself from the actions of carders? Who, in your opinion, is the weakest link in the user-bank-goods / service provider chain? And what serious mistakes are made during transactions with bank cards?
Basic precautions can help prevent attacks on your credit card, such as: set an SMS notification about each transaction with your bank card, set a daily withdrawal limit (for example, no more than $ 200), put a ban on cash withdrawals abroad (because most often the stolen "dump" of your credit card is cashed in another country), do not hand the card into the hands of strangers, for example, let the waiter in the restaurant bring the terminal and make the payment in front of you, and not, as before, the card was taken away somewhere in the back room and there conducted your transaction, and when withdrawing cash from an ATM, you should definitely inspect the ATM for any extraneous overlays that could copy data from the magnetic stripe of your card (the overlay is usually put on the card collector and looks like a completely factory part;this direction of carding is called "skimming" - from the English. skim - to withdraw), and it is better to withdraw cash in general from ATMs installed only in the premises of the banks themselves or in large shopping centers, where it is much more difficult to unnoticeably install a reader. On the Internet, it is worth paying with a card only in trusted stores, data from the sites of which are transmitted via the secure ssl protocol (https). Also, in no case should you write down the PIN code directly on your card: if it is stolen / lost, the attackers will quickly withdraw all the money. Read about other methods of protecting your cards from criminal encroachments in my book.where it is much more difficult to discreetly install a reader. On the Internet, it is worth paying with a card only in trusted stores, data from the sites of which are transmitted via the secure ssl protocol (https). Also, in no case should you write down the PIN code directly on your card: if it is stolen / lost, the attackers will quickly withdraw all the money. Read about other methods of protecting your cards from criminal encroachments in my book.where it is much more difficult to discreetly install a reader. On the Internet, it is worth paying with a card only in trusted stores, data from the sites of which are transmitted via the secure ssl protocol (https). Also, in no case should you write down the PIN code directly on your card: if it is stolen / lost, the attackers will quickly withdraw all the money. Read about other methods of protecting your cards from criminal encroachments in my book.
The weakest link in the chain of transferring banking information is not always the user - very often the bank itself is the culprit (for example, now in one of the Moscow courts a case is being heard when, due to the standard settings of ATMs, instructions for which are on the Internet, criminals were able to set up ATMs for the issuance of money and stole over a billion rubles). In general, the largest leaks of credit card information came from large retail chains such as Walmart - by hacking them, hackers steal millions of customers' credit cards at once (I had about 200 million credit cards in the case). Anything that is built by a person can be hacked, and this is mainly due to the negligence of the banking / trading structures themselves,insecurely protecting their computer networks or using factory default passwords when installing equipment.
How much does modern technology help in carding protection? For example, card chips and 3 DSecure?
Chip cards are much more difficult to crack (this is a fact), but possible. Regarding 3D Secure, the Internet is still full of sites that allow you to make a payment without entering a one-time code that comes in an SMS message, but every year there are fewer such sites. 3D Secure is not a panacea either, since carders can change the phone number associated with your card through the bank's website and order a one-time password for it, but this, of course, is much more complicated. Overall, online payments have become much safer lately. The main thing is to use trusted stores. You also need to be careful when you receive an email message allegedly from the bank's website with a request to update your credit card details, enter its number and PIN code - banks never send such messages, and all of them are "phishing" (fake), while site,where you enter your details may look like the website of your bank.
When did you realize that your chosen life path was wrong?
After I served 8 years in Belarusian prisons (and I spent 10 in total). I realized that I do not want to sit, never, and realize my potential in a criminal direction is wrong. Therefore, immediately after my release, I went into business - in fact, you solve all the same problems as in crime, only you no longer think about where to steal more than anything, but how to bypass competitors and make a service that will make people's lives better, easier, more economical, more secure, and so on. But money is an inevitable consequence of this.
How can black-hat hackers serve the public good?
Of the well-known hackers, he retrained and began to do everything the same, but only legally (by order of the companies themselves to test their computer networks for vulnerabilities), if my memory serves me, only Kevin Mitnick, having founded the company Mitnick Security Consulting. I don't know anyone from the Russians. And the problem here is not only that "the humpbacked grave will fix it", but that our companies / government cannot offer decent salaries, because the monthly earnings of a normal black-hat hacker are tens of thousands of dollars.
The media periodically publish reports about the cooperation of hackers with the authorities of Western countries. Do you know examples of cooperation between hackers and law enforcement officers of Belarus and Russia? If not, what, in your opinion, is the reason for the lack of such cooperation?
Ilya Sachkov (owner of the computer security company Group-IB) said this very well: “The law enforcement agencies of the CIS countries never hire former hackers, because they believe that if a person has tarnished himself at least once, he will continue to engage in illegal activity, so it is better to hire a young man after college with a crystal clear biography. " As practice shows, this is not a panacea either - in the dock we often see high-ranking officers of the FSB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs doing the same thing as ordinary hackers. Big money is no small temptation.
If you take me personally, then neither I nor any of my acquaintances, hackers and carders, have ever been offered a job in law enforcement - probably for the above reason. Well, the fact that hackers of Western countries work for the government - there are such cases, the most striking of them (the work of Albert Gonzalez with the US Secret Service) is described in my book, but even in those cases it cannot be called work - most often they "knock" on his own associates, so as not to thunder in the dock himself.
After your release from prison, did you have an idea to work in the field of information security?
No, it was not, because, first of all, I am not a "techie". I am a generator of ideas, as I call myself, an "architect of ideas", so I am interested in building a business. Sitting at the computer for days, catching the next "worms", Trojans, viruses or hackers is not interesting to me. Yes, and earnings, again.
What areas of activity should be paid attention to a person who has decided to leave cybercrime in the "legal field"?
I would recommend paying attention to traffic arbitrage. As it is now customary to say, who owns traffic - he owns the world. And this is really true. Because even creating a cool online store is much easier than bringing customers to it. Today the market is full of offers, for example, from stores that offer you to bring customers for a generous commission on each sale, and if you have somewhere to get customers, you are guaranteed a comfortable existence. Traffic can be taken from different places: for example, create a public on social networks and promote it, and then offer some goods there or advertise specific stores or services, you can buy traffic cheaply in one place (for example, cheap "junk" traffic such as popunders and clickunder) and merge it on the offer of some store / site - the main thing is that it is monetized at the same time.I used to get traffic using email spam and send it to porn sites and casinos, but this is illegal, so now I bring clients to cashback services. If you don't know what cashback is, then this is a site that offers to return (really) some of the money from each of your online purchases. They also have coupons and promotional codes, so I'm sure that coupon sites, or, as they are also called, "promo codes", will soon die. Because why use only a coupon, if on the website of the cashback service you can use not only a coupon or a promotional code, but also get a cashback back. 6% - like on Aliexpress or Lamoda, or all 40% (this amount is usually returned from the sale of software, games, applications or domain and hosting for your website). Arbitration generally means that you take traffic cheaper in one place,than you get in the future from its sale or monetization in another way. By the way, only 10% of online shoppers know what cashback is. Therefore, work is an unplowed field.
Do you consider a career in cybersecurity a good opportunity for a hacker to step out of the shadows?
I don’t know, maybe for some technically competent specialist who doesn’t pretend to make a lot of money, this is also a good solution, but mostly top hackers prefer to do business after their release or continue their previous occupations.
You wrote the book How I Stole a Million, Confessions of a Repentant Carder. Are you planning to keep writing? And what projects are you currently working on?
I wrote the book, the reviews about it are quite good, it is easy to read, but I do not plan to write a sequel, I simply do not have time for this. And what should I write? I cannot imagine how Perumov does this masterfully, I can only describe what I experienced myself. The criminal period of my life is over, by writing a book I put a fat point in it, so if there will be a next book, it will only be when I earn one hundred million dollars, and now I do not consider myself entitled to advise someone. I really want to write a book about business, behind bars I read hundreds of books about business, biographies of great entrepreneurs like Steve Jobs, and I want to write a book about how I embody everything that I learned and came up with myself and this ultimately led me to success, but, again, I will sit down to write it only when I earn this money.Maybe more, maybe less, but I'll earn. This is a kind of challenge for me. In the fall, my current book will be published in English in America, and then we'll see.
Now I am engaged in organizing the production of souvenir dollars and piggy banks LuckyBucks.ru together with my partner (look, quite interesting, there will still be a series with Donald Trump and even Vladimir Putin), and I still bring traffic to cashback services. I immediately brought clients to LetyShops, but now they worsened the terms of the affiliate program, and I got tired of the 0.1 cents cashbacks they pay me - and I switched to the relatively young service SecretDiscounter.ru... I get 50% of their income from each client I referred, about 2 dollars per year comes out from each, I have already brought more than 10 thousand, so I get about 20,000 dollars a year and I do not stop. What impresses is that the guys are constantly developing: they made a blog where they cover the latest news from the life of the service and useful new "chips" such as a loyalty system that allows you to get 30% more cashback over time, or a free parcel tracking service "Where is the parcel "... Also, an important aspect for me is that Secret Discounter is engaged in charity work - it pays 10% of its profits to proven charitable foundations, the same can be done by the company's clients. I myself am thinking of creating my own charitable foundation soon - I will transfer the right books and sports equipment to prisons and zones around the world. It will be called "Freedom Forever" (freedom forever).
R eye, I sometimes write in my blog, Carding.pro - to, so to speak, not to lose the sharpness of the pen.
Comparing the laws of different countries - which one is the most severe in relation to cybercrime? And vice versa.
If we take the criminal code separately, then the longest sentences for cybercrime in the United States of America. If in Belarus I was tried under an article providing for up to 15 years of imprisonment, in America they may well give me life imprisonment. BUT! If in America you agree to a deal with the investigation, give them the whole "alignment" (who wants to work, investigating your case for several years!), Do not create special problems for the investigators and make certain concessions (it is not necessary to "hand over" accomplices; on as much as your conscience allows), then in practice it turns out that you get much less than in the same Belarus. Not always, but most of the time. And sitting there is much better ... The softest, most often conditional,Cybercriminals receive sentences in Russia or Ukraine - due to the corruption of the law enforcement system and the judiciary.
Why are there so many cybercriminals in Russia and the countries of the former USSR, but the number of victims of their activities is not so large? Are there any ethical reasons for this? Or is it that the population of these countries is generally poorer?
Of course, the main targets of hackers and carders of all stripes have always been and will be the United States due to the large amount of money and the developed network infrastructure that can be hacked. In the countries of the former USSR, not only is there practically no money, but still not everything is computerized, until now many databases exist only in local networks (or even in folders in archives). This, on the one hand, is inconvenient for the very same workers of such backward structures, but, on the other hand, it saves from massive computer attacks like the latest sensational WannaCry and Petya.
There were ethical reasons before - even in my generation of cybercriminals, when we rarely stole from our own people for the reason:
a) lack of a lot of money
b) and also because our unfortunate people have already been robbed by the state more than once and continues to do this, if we will also ...
In general, I can state that today there are many more different ways to make money on the Internet (this is traffic arbitrage, and various start-up incubators and venture capital funds that help you bring your idea to life) than in my time, and you need to be the last fool. to steal on the Internet instead of earning much more on it. Legally.
(c) https://securenews.ru/pavlovich_interview/
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